TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS
Workplace Relations Act 1996 19316-1
COMMISSIONER THATCHER
AG2008/1357
cl.2A(1)(b) Sch. 7 – Application for an order to vary pre-reform certified agreement
Application by The Healthy Snack People Pty Limited
(AG2008/1357)
The Healthy Snack People Pty Ltd Enterprise Agreement [2005]
(ODN AG2005/7446)
[AG844412 Print PR965271]]
Sydney
9.09AM, THURSDAY, 6 NOVEMBER 2008
PN1
MR S WOODBURY: I seek leave to appear on behalf of The Healthy Snack People Pty Limited, together with MR P O’BRIEN.
PN2
MS T HIGGINS: I appear on behalf of the employees.
PN3
THE COMMISSIONER: Your name is?
PN4
MS HIGGINS: Higgins, initial T.
PN5
THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, Ms Higgins, thank you.
PN6
MS HIGGINS: Sorry.
PN7
MR S MUELLER: I appear on behalf of the National Union of Workers.
PN8
THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, Mr Mueller.
PN9
MR MUELLER: Yes.
PN10
THE COMMISSIONER: Sorry, Mr Mueller, no objection; and Ms Higgins, no objection to leave being granted?
PN11
MR MUELLER: No.
PN12
THE COMMISSIONER: Yes, leave is granted.
PN13
Yes, Mr Woodbury.
PN14
MR WOODBURY: Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner, this is an application under clause 2A of schedule 7 for approval of a variation and extension of The Healthy Snack People Pty Limited Enterprise Agreement 2005. The Commission may recall an earlier application in respect of the same agreement, which was matter number 1201 of 2008, and that application ultimately was withdrawn by the company.
PN15
THE COMMISSIONER: Yes.
PN16
MR WOODBURY: Circumstances arose during the course of the application which disclosed that possibly not all eligible employees had been given an opportunity to cast a valid vote and due to the closeness of the vote the company elected to withdraw the application and review its position.
PN17
Commissioner I’m happy to say that the parties to the agreement did review the position and decided to effectively have another vote, and the outcome of that vote was that a clear majority of people voted to support the approval of the variations and extension of the agreement, and I’ll come to that in a moment. So that’s by way of background, to refresh the Commission’s mind as to how we come to be here. It also explains some of the background that’s in the statutory declarations which are quite lengthy. I don’t propose to take the Commission through all of the matters in the statutory declarations but I refer to a number of matters which are by way of history, I guess, or background.
PN18
In terms of the application itself, it’s supported by the application itself which was filed on 10 October. There is then a statutory declaration of Paul O’Brien which is a bulky document with a bull clip, Commissioner. There is then a statutory declaration of Tracy Higgins, which was filed on 10 October, and a statement in relation to the application which asserts that the parties agreed the extension and variation of the agreement; and none of the parties have after 14 February 2008, which is the relevant date, organised or engaged in or threatened to organise or engage in industrial action or applied for a protected action ballot under the Act. That has been filed on 23 October, Commissioner.
PN19
Commissioner, in terms of the actual agreement itself I won’t take the Commission through the terms of the agreement other than to say that it provides significant benefits to the employees. The pay increases are in the order of four and a half per cent per year for three years and there are other additional benefits as well. But there are no offsets so the employees are not being asked to concede any matters in relation to the negotiation of the agreement. So it is indeed a very reasonable and fair agreement that has been reached, in my submission.
PN20
THE COMMISSIONER: So there’s no suggestion that the agreement as varied would result on balance in any reduction in the overall entitlements?
PN21
MR WOODBURY: No, Commissioner. So we say that in terms of the requirements of the Act, particularly I have referred the Commission already to the statement of the parties and then also in relation to the variation and the application of the reduction in overall terms and conditions, we say that that is uncontroversial and has been met.
PN22
In terms of the genuine agreement, Commissioner, the approval ballot was conducted on 2 October by, again, the Australian Electoral Commission. It was a secret ballot. There were 80 employees eligible to vote and of those 80 employees all 80 actually did cast a valid vote.
PN23
THE COMMISSIONER: No one was on leave?
PN24
MR WOODBURY: No one was on leave. Well actually I think they were, yes. Can I say that strenuous efforts were made to locate every single individual to make sure that they cast a vote, so a lot has been learned, I think, in terms of how to conduct a vote. But basically every person did cast a valid vote. 53 people voted to approve the variations and extension, which amounts to around 66, 67 per cent, so roughly two-thirds. That was then certified by the Australian Electoral Commission by way of a letter.
PN25
THE COMMISSIONER: Yes.
PN26
MR WOODBURY: I think it is attached to - - -
PN27
THE COMMISSIONER: It is attached here.
PN28
MR WOODBURY: Yes, in statutory declaration of Mr O’Brien. There’s a letter dated 2 October from Mr Skeynes. The statutory declaration isn’t numbered but it’s towards the end.
PN29
THE COMMISSIONER: I saw it this morning.
PN30
MR WOODBURY: I can hand up the original, Commissioner.
PN31
THE COMMISSIONER: There’s a letter. No, I’ve seen it; it’s attachment L. The result of the ballot was contained within those documents.
PN32
MR WOODBURY: That’s right.
PN33
THE COMMISSIONER: The ballot shows that 53 yes and 27 no.
PN34
MR WOODBURY: That’s correct, Commissioner. So a clear majority was reached on this occasion and so in our submission the requirements of the Act have been met. One of the unusual features of this agreement, which is an employee collective agreement made originally under section 170LK, is that the National Union of Workers made an application under the old Act, if I can refer to it that way, under 170M of that Act, electing to be bound as an organisation under the Act. I call it one of the unusual features, I guess, of this particular agreement in that the NUW has elected to be bound as an organisation and there has been some discussion between the company, on the one hand, and the NUW as to what in fact that practically means. Some of the concerns which the NUW has raised with the company about the application are matters which I’m hoping to address you on now, which will satisfy the Commission that the application should be approved as made. The issues that have been raised by the NUW - - -
PN35
THE COMMISSIONER: Is this still a live issue?
PN36
MR WOODBURY: It’s not a live issue provided I can make some statements on the record, Commissioner.
PN37
THE COMMISSIONER: All right.
PN38
MR WOODBURY: About the rights of the NUW as an organisation bound pursuant to section 170M, and I think that’s been primarily their concern with respect to the agreement. The first issue that they’ve raised with us is concerning their rights of entry under the Act. Through the transition between the old actually and then the new Act, if I can put it that way, after the WorkChoices reforms, the terminology changed somewhat between the two Acts in relation to rights of entry.
PN39
For our part, in terms of the applicant company’s part, the company has accepted in the past and will continue to accept firstly that the agreement applies to the NUW as an organisation bound pursuant to section 170M of the previous Act. Secondly, that it continues to be able to exercise rights of entry under the Act as it currently is, provided that the requirements of the Act are met; so relevant notice periods et cetera are given, but otherwise we’re happy to concede that the rights of the NUW in respect of entry continue to apply.
PN40
Thirdly, in relation to representation rights on site with respect to members who might request them, the practice of the company in the past, which will continue, is that if an individual member says that they wish to have the union involved in particular issues that might arise then the company in the past has recognised and met with the union concerning those issues, and that practice will continue. So I’m putting that on the record, after discussions with Mr Mueller, for the purpose of ensuring that going forward that there’s an understanding with respect to those matters.
PN41
THE COMMISSIONER: Yes.
PN42
MR WOODBURY: As I understand it that then means that the agreement as made or approved by the employees and the company is available then for Commission to so order.
PN43
THE COMMISSIONER: I’ll only say that I’ll order a copy of the transcript so that that will be available to the parties.
PN44
MR WOODBURY: Unless the Commission has any other questions, we would then say that the requirements of the Act are otherwise met, and seek to have the application granted and the draft order – which I think has been provided to the Commission, but I can hand up another copy – ought be made subject to the submissions of the other parties.
PN45
THE COMMISSIONER: I have a copy of the draft copy. Thank you, Mr Woodbury.
PN46
MR WOODBURY: Thank you Commissioner.
PN47
THE COMMISSIONER: Ms Higgins.
PN48
MS HIGGINS: Nothing sir.
PN49
THE COMMISSIONER: Nothing to add? No.
PN50
Mr Mueller?
PN51
MR MUELLER: Thank you, Commissioner. On the basis of the undertakings given by the company today the NUW, as an organisation bound by the agreement, agrees to the extension and the variation of the agreement.
PN52
THE COMMISSIONER: Very well. Thank you Mr Mueller.
PN53
I’m satisfied that the provisions of clause 2A of schedule 7 have been satisfied and therefore I propose to vary and extend the agreement in terms of the draft order, and this order will come into effect from today, and remain in force until 6 November 2001. Thank you, this matter is adjourned.
PN54
MR WOODBURY: Thank you Commissioner.
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